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The flawed concept of free will in determinism - A deep dive

So, free will. Big topic, right? Everyone likes to think they've got it, but here's the kicker – if you're a determinist, you're kinda stuck saying it's an illusion. Now, don't get me wrong, determinism has its merits. Everything caused by something else, a grand universal domino rally. But when you apply it to human behavior, things get complicated.

Let's break it down. Picture the brain as this incredibly complex machine, right? It reacts and makes decisions based on inputs like sensory info or past experiences. Sounds deterministic, sure. But then come quantum mechanics. With all the randomness at the subatomic level, our brain's 'outputs' may not be as predetermined as we thought.

So here's where it gets real juicy – is our sense of making choices just an elaborate feeling cooked up by our big ol' brains? Or is there a sprinkle of genuine unpredictability in our neural processes, giving us a sliver of true free will?

Let's chop up the data, shoot some theories around, and do some good ol' thinking – after all, that's what we're here for. So, where do you stand? Are we all just living out a cosmic script? or improvising in a play with some loose directions?

Submitted 11 months, 1 week ago by TheoryCrafterMax


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Hasn't the Libet experiment shown that our brains decide before we're even aware of a choice? Seems like free will's just the story our consciousness tells ourselves. Makes u wonder if being aware of our decisions after the fact even matters.

11 months, 1 week ago by LibetFanboy

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I'm new to this convo but isn't the idea of having free will kinda necessary for taking responsibility for our actions? Otherwise, why bother with laws or morality if everything is predetermined?

11 months, 1 week ago by ExistentialMoose

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Think about it this way – if you rewind the tape of life, determinism says everything would play out exactly the same, right? But chaos theory suggests minor differences could magnify over time, leading to a different outcome. Perhaps free will is the brain's way of navigating chaos, making choices that seem random because we can't calculate every variable. The truth probably lies somewhere in the infinite complexities between these two views.

11 months, 1 week ago by Philosoraptor_84

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Everyone's a puppet, and the universe is pulling the strings. I'm just here for the ride and the lols.

11 months, 1 week ago by CosmicJester

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All brains cook up stories, conveniently forgetting the free will BS when we're binge-watching shows for 6 hours straight. Guess my free will takes a nap then, eh?

11 months, 1 week ago by ItchyTriggerFinger

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It's fascinating, isn't it? Neuroscience has demonstrated that there are layers of processes in decision-making, complex interactions of neurochemicals, and firing patterns. Quantum mechanics introduces uncertainty at the subatomic level, but this has not been definitively linked to any significant 'free will' in the brain. It might just be noise atop an otherwise deterministic system. More research needed, but I lean towards the compatibilist view where free will and determinism coexist.

11 months, 1 week ago by NeuroNerd97

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idk, quantum randomness is cool and all but does it really affect decisions on a macro scale? brain's too big for tiny quarks to make me pick pizza over salad right

11 months, 1 week ago by RandomQuark

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Determinism is cool n all, but have we considered how cultural and psychological factors could be enough to disrupt a fixed pattern? Even deterministic systems can experience 'chaos', where tiny differences in initial conditions can lead to vastly different outcomes. Our brains could be chaotic systems, sensitive to these minuscule changes, thus never truly being deterministic cause the outcome is always up in the air.

11 months, 1 week ago by Deterministic_Screen